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Re: Islam's Message of Love [Re: sickofviolence] #16025 - 05/10/02 04:49 AM Edit Reply Quote

But SOV, you don't really understand what Vinaire is telling you about completion of Karman. It has nothing to do with retalliation. That last word in different wordshapes is something that is like a stopword for you, it seems. Whenever the (Bhakti) love-philosophy isn't agreed upon, you seem to thinking of the others in terms of a hatred-philosophy. That's black-and-white thinking and not at all necessary. Besides forgetting and forgiving has to do with communication, and communication is never a one-way-road, it involves a participating partner. You have to remind the participating partner of what was, what still is and what shouldn't be repeated, etc. Time is not just a island-like point, but a relatively multidimensional line, connecting what was, with what is and what will be. The present is real because of the past, no present without any past. And what is past has only then really passed away, when it is completed, when it is re-solved, meaning again solved=neutralized. Vinaire and others (but not the militant ones) aren't saying that that means retalliation or violence, that's is your interpretation or better: thinking for others. Thus, SOV, I have nothing against a love-philosophy, but more to polarization in a real black-and-white setting. And frankly speaking, if someone talks about love, but has a polarizing thinking, then that invalidates or belittles the love part, or not?