Ishwa helper Reged: 03/03/02 Posts: 553

Re: Kill the animal and feed the man? [Re: VJR] #14156 - 03/30/02 11:19 AM Edit Reply Quote

Dear VJR, The dichotomy of Atman and Body-Genome is a bit deterministic in my eyes. It seems that the Atman in your view is the better half and the Body the bad. Watever goes wrong is not the fault of the perfect Atman, but of the imperfect Body-Genome. This seems in a way fatalistic and as a kind of fight inside of man between his Atman and Body-Genome. For me this seems a bit very simpistic. It increases also the feeling of repulsion towards the body, which I my opinion is describes as a Mandira in Hinduims. It also increases the dual conflict in man. Isn't this a great excuse for people who can blame their "bad" behavior to their genomes? It is putting a human moral attribute on the Prakrti aspect, which shouldn't be given in the first place. Prakrti is as much Brahman as Purusha. If one believes in a Prakrti apart from Purusha, than it is nearer to the dualistic philosophies beginning with the Avesta and influencing all the philosophies of western Asia. (I believe that Sankhya started with the dual Saguna, because the non-dual was beyond the field to be researched by the Sankhya philosophers) The gift of Hindu philosophy was a harmonious non-dualism, which is unique in the world. The others are talking loud about One (spiritual) God, but whispering the One (materialistic) Devil which is believing in conflict as a never to be overcome phenomenon. This system implies that believing in God brings salvation, but even God can't dis-create Evil, for it is his concurring force, sometimes humbled but never totally subdued. This is a system of fear, not of harmony. This is a system of morality. It may be okay to some, it is applyable to a great extent in the evolved Saguna-Brahman. But they both fuse together in Nirguna-Brahman as ONE, non-different from each other. The Viveka-khy�ti Sam�dhi is about realizing the ''difference" between Saguna and Nirguna, and not of realizing the "difference" between Purusha and Prakrti. Because when resolved of their guna form effects, they become a harmonious non-guna creative potentiality! The creation is called Krshna-Liil�, which means a game or sport of Krshna as representation of Brahman. Prakrti is part of his and his game and Purusha is the enjoyer. Good and bad are just a matter of good or bad timing and placing, which are very relative things. It is good to have a heater when it's cold, but it's a bad when turned on a hot summer day. It's all a matter of relativeness and perspective. Everything of Purusha and Prakrti are relative modifications in that Liil�. But their essence is always the same. And they are One Harmonious non-duality in Nirguna. And in Saguna they are Partners, sometimes 'arguing' sometimes not. They love ach other and as Shiva-Shakti they love their 'child' the Jiiv�tman or Ganapati = Lord of the Ganas = Groups that are multiplied born out of this Child.