Ishwa helper Reged: 03/03/02 Posts: 553

Re: Ideology and Aryans [Re: Vishal_Agarwal] #12884 - 03/03/02 06:53 AM Edit Reply Quote

Their research is very amusing. No Dravidian nor Munda language can be deduced from mere artefacts. So the link with a (pre-)Indus Valley is not more than a day dream. Urdu is a Turkish word, which means a "camp". This word came to India with the Turks who were hunted by the Mongols. The language itself is based on a local language of Delhi. Since the Turks had many recruits from locality, their language was called "Urdu", or language of their subjects, for the leaders themselves continued to speak Turkish! (Even the Moghuls, for they were Chaghatay Turks!) It was employed with the Bahmani Sultans, and was called there Dakkhini. Language is based on grammar, and not on mere words or word coincidences with other languages. Urdu is clearly a West-Hindi language which has its firm roots in the Shauraseni Apabhramsha and Shauraseni Prakrita. The expressions and loan idioms of Persian (an Arya language) and Arabic do not change the fact that the language is a New-Indo-Aryan language. And that is the international academic word applied to this language! About the ethnicity: The Pakistani and also most Afghani and Irani are culturally and ethnically of roundabout the same origins. The Panjab was once according to the Avesta and Indian sources the battlescene from where the Arya expansed, but contacts remained. With a strange habit some Muslim rulers wanted to erase the past of the conquered countries. This was done so well that many Afghani tribes believe to be descended from a tribe of the Middle-East, though their culture and language are clearly Arya. It seems that the same process is going on now with Urdu. It amazes me why the Pakistani are maybe so ashamed of their 'Indian' past, that they want to invent a new identity.