Ishwa helper Reged: 03/03/02 Posts: 553

Re: Parabrahman [Re: vinaire] #13545 - 03/17/02 06:35 AM Edit Reply Quote

I'm very much interested in the stage when the creation is really starting as far as the modern science has gone now. Is it at the Vyakta Mahat stage? or is it only at the Vyakti Chitta stage of K�rana? I certainly have my doubts that the Nirguna stage of Praj�pati is really meant when they're talking about that which was before the physical formation of the universe. Let's go back from the physical plane upwards: 1. What is physical is called sth�la bh�ta. This is our mineral world in which human beings as Manas enjoy through their Indriyas. (prthivi is the main bh�ta = solid matter?) 2. What is beyond this physical plane is called s�kshma bh�ta. This must be something beyond the speed of light (or not?). This is where we as beings have Buddhi and enjoy the s�kshma bh�ta through Tanm�tras (rasa, gandha, etc). (salila is the main bh�ta = plasmatic matter?) 3. What is beyond the subtle is called k�rana. Is this the stage where we as the Chitta are enjoying the (param)anu through our Pr�tibhas? (tejas is the main bh�ta: is this the beginning of our multidimensional physical universe?) Than Mahat is far beyond the beginnings of this modern scientific understanding of the creation. (main element is here �pah, with Indra as representation of this phenomenon: Indra uses his Vajra=tejas to create (now tejas is the element in k�rana. Vrtra must than be the stage before the plane of Indra, that is before Mahat: it must be that stage of Saguna where the Purusha and Prakrti are brought into movement, so it must be the initial Triguna stage. Here the representative is named as Varuna Asu-ra, with the main element �k�sha. Or does modern science only have one word for the many stages of Hindu science? Do they call everything before the K�rana stage as the potential pre-creation, because they only think matter-focused=material? What do my co-forumists think? Edited by Ishwa on 03/17/02 03:37 AM (server time).