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Re: Gita: The eternal song of Love and Ultimate Wisdom [Re: willie] #19176 - 08/11/02 04:55 AM Edit Reply Quote

Hmm, Willie makes a lot of complaints about providing him with historical facts. Since when is that called "bad-mouthing?" Only someone very touchy about the information can do that, someone who dislikes (and ignores) that part. No one has to prove how it went wrong from history, Willie. It WAS mostly wrong from the beginning as history tells us, but it showed it could be right too when harmless and tolerant in some cases (towards certain sciences and customs adopting from other cultures). The issue is how it can move to tolerancy for the major part, for the permanent term. The issue is how the moderate majority can pacify LOUD AND CLEARLY not only the militant section, but also the normal agressive attitude in almost all countries. This is bad propaganda for the own moderate groups. You get a real mess when you make a khichari of personal and social service to God, political, socio-jurisdictional system and then serve it as a dish of dogma. The "success" is very easily explained. Nature knows construction and destruction, man is a part of nature. It takes a lot of energy, construction and goodwill to be human and not to be destructive to fellow human beings, whatever their nature is. It takes just a second to destroy. That's the easy and lazy way. People feeling hurt, can generate a lot of energy. But being very vulnerable they are also very manipulable. The lazy manipulative people use this powerful energy of the hurt to destroy. Using the sauce of metaphysical beliefs makes the whole manipulation a lot more destructive. But it is not real, so it will eventually collapse, as evil intentions always do. What makes everyone a part of the 'success' is not the metaphysical, but the mutual complaints (and ignorance). Only after some light may shine and pierce the destructive atmosphere of their ignorance we may witness the first steps to reforming their movement. (Which also happened in a way to the previous agressive versions of Christianity).