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Re: PETITION -- WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! THINK!!! [Re: dhilwala2001] #15246 - 04/23/02 03:44 PM Edit Reply Quote

Hmm, Dhilwala2001 asked me to read his exchange with Madan. That is what I did and I have replied, before his reply here. But he himself didn't take the the effort to read there. Instead he started interpreting! What a pity. This was my reply in that thread --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " If there is going to be any change in Islam, it is going to have to originate with those Muslims who are more educated and open-minded. To them, you can ask these questions, shine light onto these questions, as to raise awareness about all of these facts. Ask them to answer to it. Make public all of these facts. Newspapaers should carry articles, like, "Is Islam really Peaceful?" That will force these people to answer. Force them to THINK ABOUT IT !!!! Only through this type of action we can solve problems. ...." I couldn't have said it better! There are three ways of confronting injustice: 1. denial 2. retalliation: stressing and working with negative energy. Accusing and reacting to that. This will cause only more negativeness. 3. participation: stressing and working with positive energy. Asking for a dialogue and let people imagine a change of rolemodels: give the ones who support injustice the role of victims and how they would react. Anytime moderate people are staying moderate that's a great victory. Dialogues with this group is utmostly needed. That is the first defensive act. The second is to isolate the agressors in public opinion. Not only by the non-sympathisizing ones, but by their own partly sympathisizing moderates. (The offensive job against militants must be done of course by the army.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So this is basically what can be done at least.That was my reply there. But Dhilwala2001 missed this post, but asked me not to miss his one. Another bigger mistake is that he thinks that I fill my heart with pride and hate. I'm really getting annoyed by these kind of simplistic projected statements. It's maybe (is it?) his world of thinking in these terms, and then he mustn't try to pollute other's minds with his way of thinking, if it is his. Everytime if I read things of some "lovekeepers" their arguments are sound, but then they make the very basic mistake that in trying to get their objectives, they are putting thoughts, feelings and words into the minds and mouths of others. Please let them READ what others are saying, but let them try to avoid INTERPRETATIONS! And don't put words in the mouth of others. They can better save that breath for other tasks. I only did mention about temples, because the topic was on this subject? One must take more time in reading other threads where I commented on the inner. I don't personally need any temple, but the masses need one. The simple people need temples. But Dhilwala2001 would deny that right and just say that there are enough Hindu temples left for the people. So where in the middle is he at this point? He still doubts that the destruction happened. That is another mistake. With this simple doubt he slams at the faces of so many Hindus who suffered the loss in those days. He must be thinking and talking very easy and conveniently over here? Just forget that one of the most holy places of Hinduism was destructed? The irritating Muslims won't ever give in and tus try to let the Hindus give in onesidedly? It is not something to be forgotten. It is something that should be talked over and dealt with properly without hatred. If he's doubting, the Muslims wouldn't certainly be the ones to admit that people of their faith commited such crimes to try to annihilate Hinduism. (Imagine how they would react when their Qa'aba would have been destroyed and not 've been given a chance to be rebuilt) About Tibet and Buddhism, of course Buddhism is alive. No religion is ever destroyed. Where did I say the contrary? But do you know what their rights are? Can you even imagine how Tibetans live in their own country? The Chinese even appointed a fake Panchen Lama as a crown prince. Chinese families are getting subsidies to live in Tibet to supplant the Tibetan culture. Tibetans are living like slaves, and their religion is state-controlled. Many Tibetans fled Tibet and some are living in India, others in the west. This is mostly how Islamised India was before the English came in. Love is okay, but be realistic too, be neutral! Don't try to be lovable towards one moderate group and denying the pain and rights of the ones who suffered first their temples, and then suffer any rights to build anything to their holy grounds only to give in to be peaceful. One can be peaceful too with temples needed by the ordinary people. It is really horrifying that some small groups of Muslims can terrorise India in this manner. Militant Hindu reaction is also not the way. It would be better that the building of any temple could be done with approval of the government and people (petitioners). I find it really annoying that some lovekeepers act onesidedly. But let some talk a little more and they'll contradict themselves. Their intention though sometimes naive is okay, but their projection is not at the least okay. And are some really that neutral or just a little giving in and thus being onesided? But I think to believe you aren't onesided, Dhilwala2001. Edited by Ishwa on 04/23/02 01:23 PM (server time).