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Re: Jesus was not a good person [Re: venky] #16646 - 05/24/02 04:22 AM Edit Reply Quote

Dear Venky, The picture of Jesus is depicted by people who weren't even the direct disciples of him. Jesus' philosophy was almost destroyed with the destruction of the Jerusalem community of his followers (his brother's family had continued that philosophy). The picture of Jesus we have today has started with the enemy of the disciples of Jesus. His name is Saul, who after the crucifiction of Jesus, first persecuted his followers and then became the apostle of Jesus (who wasn't there anymore, so he created this idea) and took the name of Paul. Paul had many conflicts with the direct disciples of Jesus, especially with Jacob and Peter. The conflict ended with the victory of the doctrine of Paul over that of Jesus' disciples. That resulted in the reshaping of anything Jesus had said: Mathew, Marc and Luke are so much Paulinistic, that we get a Paulinistic picture of the real Jesus. John's story is even farther mythologized and so unreal. Jesus was depicted in that Paulinistic picture as quarreling with his family and his own mother to discredit them. Everything was done to get Jesus out of the Jewish atmosphere, even his family, to make him a cosmopolitan character: in the beginning he was made a more Graeco-Roman halfgod to get Jesus accepted by the Roman rulers. After being persecuted by the Romand and after that religious gatherings started from the 4th century onwards from which there were two main schools: the eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Church. The Roman Church made further modifications and gave more non-Jewish flavours and traits to the character of Jesus, which had already started in the early Paulinistic period (fusions with the characters of the Greek pantheon and also history, like Alexander the Great) Thus, what people say about Jesus, should be understood within this light. This counts for the followers and the adversaries of Jesus. It look so surrealistic to talk about somebody through the depiction of him which he wasn't at all!